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Interspecifics
« on: July 09, 2009, 15:03:20 »
Let's take up a new subject: Judging standards for interspecifics. There is none in existence today that are really 100% applicable to judge interspecific plants in flower as all current judging standards were develop for use with miniata plants. Should one judge plants in cultivar or may one judge them as a single group?

I'm looking forward to this discussion, because I've learnt a lot about selection from the Chinese standards, even though I'm still far away from being a competitive clivia grower.
The first thing would probably be to determine the classes that an interspecific could be showed in, could there be different classes for flower shapes, colours, breeding?

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 09:31:05 »
Wow. 112 views and no comments! Is there really, really nobody else out there that has a thought about the appreciation of interspecifics? No preference for more petite plants or big robust leaves, no difference between dark reds or delicate pinks?

An interesting point was made yesterday at the PE show, that perhaps the interspecific plants should be displayed on a higher bench than miniatas so that the flowers can be better appreciated from below. Does anyone have any feelings about this?

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 10:11:24 »
Michael, perhaps a little chip of blue tablets in watering, could rise floret fronts.
Only an idea, as I only have a few inter plants, as a present from Johan Conradie, and not any own experience.
They are beautiful, but I think members like Carrie and other specialists can make useful contributions.
What I would suggest, is perhaps also to limit selection of catagories, like the few applying to Chinese cultivars.
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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 10:45:15 »
Off the subject Michael and Stef,If you don`t mind>

I have just realized that I have never had an Inter. flower low down!!!

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 11:37:45 »
I just hope that the standards (when developed) don't reward plants sailing too closely towards miniata characteristics - i.e. very open florets, wide leaves - since that would seem to defeat the purpose of having a separate class...

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 15:00:58 »
Who better to advise than Wessel Lotter?
Here's his examples of the basic differences from an article about breeding in yearbook 2:

1. OOEE - open, erect
2. OOPE - open,semi erect
3. OOPP - open, pendulous
4. TOEE - semi open, erect
5. TOPE - semi open, semi erect
6. TOPP - semi open, pendulous
7. TTEE - tubular, erect
8. TTPE - tubular, semi erect
9. TTPP - tubular pendulous

He goes on to comment:

"1,2 and 4 resemble inferior miniata
3. may be mistaken for a wilted flower
5 and 6 produce some fine specimens
7, 8 and 9 - none more attractive than the tubular species "

I hope that when the standards are developed, they will reflect a good balance between appreciation of the leaves and of the flowers.


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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 08:28:17 »
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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 13:41:54 »

Hi Michael,
I have miniatas (99%) gardeniis  and nobilis all of which have bloomed for me and also a very lonely young mirablis still in nappies that has some time yet to go.
I do not have a single interspecific, not because I do not like them but choice and circumstance has always dictated.
I must admit to a very strong preference toward miniatas but some of the interspecifics are truly lovely and most desireable. I particularly like the trait of some for a different colour on the inside ofthe sepals versus the outside, this contrast alone would suggest an entire category to me.
This re-visit to this topic has whetted my appetite and I will rethink my game. Space is always of course a problem but I believe that if you want to do something then you may as well do it  well.
Aah, perhaps just an itty bitty few inters could squeeze in the back corner or somewhere?
Just imagine the excitement when they bloom!

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 14:04:23 »

For the member's interest, I have attempted to post pictures of an outstanding Interspecific plant owned and bred by KwaZulu Clivia Club member, Etzel Nuss.  Etzel is the person on the left and the bearded guy is Francois van Rooyen.  The KZNCC Interspecific display was held at John Handman's Little Falls Farm, Howick, KwaZulu-Natal.

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 15:09:34 »
Hi Ken
Interesting opening gambit for a first post
your post seems more than attempted - the photos are there - and good enough to make me wonder yet again why I avoid the interspecs?
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PS - and I see this issue of judging standards for interspecs has not attracted comment.

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 16:23:03 »
There are so many complicated crosses around these days, that it's fairly impossible to group interspecifics further than F2 level.

A logical, no fuss approach might be a basic colour grouping.

No matter what, a show winner stays a show winner, and that plant of Etzel that Ken showed is one such.


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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 16:26:09 »

PS - and I see this issue of judging standards for interspecs has not attracted comment.

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 16:41:42 »
Is this like flogging a dead horse?

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 16:53:40 »
 :mmm: :laugh:


Ken, welcome to the forum, the photo was posted succesfully. A beautiful flower, and faces to names one often sees, thank you!

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Re: Interspecifics
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 17:18:54 »
Thanks for your comments Roger.
Michael, lets see if we can give your horse some revival muti....  :poke:  Here goes.........  The judging criteria for Interspecifics (Insp.) has been bandied around at the KZNCC meetings without reaching a workable conclusion as yet.  Topics such as: when does an Insp. no longer qualify as being an Insp?; which clivia should be included into Insp. judging?  Eg....1st crosses between two species;  F1 crosses between the aforementioned crosses; back-crossing the original Insp. hybrid onto miniata; etc.  Many Insp's that have been back-crossed to miniata take on the appearance of a miniata flower, often displaying some characteristics of the pendulous plant, such as in the flower colouration.  In this case, would it be fair to judge these plants- that could be 75% or more miniata- against straight specie crosses?   :surprise: Maybe a topic for the Forum to get involved in?  Sean Chubb has in depth ideas on this matter.
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