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Clivia Groups
« on: September 22, 2010, 18:11:21 »
Clivia Groups

I think it is time we put our knowledge of Clivia Groups together, please add any Yellow, Peach or other Clivia Group here, reply to the post and I will update this post so that all the info is kept together. Please add ANY known plant, whether it is registered or not.

Also needed is group compatibility, meaning that if you have flowered a plant and know it is compatible with say Group 2 Yellow, add it to the compatibility section.

Clivia Groupings

Yellow

Group 1 Yellows:

Mare's or Howick Yellow   
Blinkwater Yellow
Mpumulo Yellow   
King Hamelin Yellow
Arturo's Yellow
San Marcos Yellow
Kirstenbosh Yellow
Eshowe or Saunders Yellow   
Watkins Yellow
Karkloof Yellow
Jim Holmes Yellow
Whyte Yellow
Noyce's Yellow
Vico or Smither's Yellow
Vico Gold
Kewensis strain yellows
'GTS Delta Cream'
Solomone Yellow
Yellow Daruma G1
Sir John Thouron
Conway's 'Megan'
Vic Daniels Yellow G1
Pen Henry Yellow
Lemon Chiffon
Lemon Ice
Solomone Cream
Holmes Yellows
Col Pitman
Walters Yellow
Morris Yellow
Humbolt Yellow
Dr. Hirao Yellow
Lisa Mannion Yellow
Solomone Yellow
Nakamura Yellow
Group 2 Yellows:

Centani Yellow
Dwesa Yellow1
Bashee Yellow
Transkei Yellow
Smith's Yellow
Tsolo Yellow
Floradale Yellow

Natal Yellow2
Giddy Yellow
Gibelo Yellow
Holl's Yellow
Swellendam Yellow
Stella Parish Yellow

Cynthia's Best
Port St John's Yellow
Hirao Green
Yellow Daruma G2
TK Yellow GT
'Cynthia's Dream'3
Vic Daniels Yellow G2
'Auriel Batten Yellow'
'Butter Yellow'7
'Pat's Gold'
'Golden Fleece'

TK Miniature Yellow
TK short BL Yellow
Nakamura Yellow
Charlsgreen   
Green Bomb   
Group 3 Yellows:       

Celtis Kloof Yellow4
Potterill Blush Yellow
Greendale yellow
Peacevale yellow
Unknown Yellows:

Mvuma Yellow5
Ndwedwe Alpha Thurston6
Ndwedwe Beta Thurston
Oribi Gorge Yellow
Byrne Valley Yellow
Crookes Yellow.
Qora Yellow


Peaches and Pastels

Group 1             

Chubb Peach
Reeds/Gail's Peach
Lotter's Peach
de Villiers Variegated Peach   
Group 2         

'Sunrise Sunset' 
'Tessa'   
Gil Hornby Peach
Cransley Peach

Group 3         
 
Said to contain both G1 and G2 genes
Victorian Peach
Not sure if I should keep this one here

European Peaches   

Cameron Peach
Tipperary Peach


Unknown Peaches   

Ndwedwe Gamma Peach
Naude Peach
Anna Meyer Peach



Pendulous Species

Group 1:     Group 2:     Unknown:




Interspecifics

Group 1:     
Limelight         
Group 2:   
Unknown:   

Group Compatibility

Appleblossom ???



Note:

1 Dwesa Yellow, Bashee Yellow, Transkei Yellow, Smith's Yellow, Tsolo Yellow, Floradale Yellow are the same plant
2 Natal Yellow, Giddy Yellow, Fred Gibello Yellow, Jardine Yellow,Swellendam Yellow, Holl's Yellow and Stella Parish Yellow are the same plant
3 'Cynthia's Dream' is a cross made by Fred van Niekerk using Natal Yellow crossed with a clone of Cynthia's Best
4 Group 3. There are 4 plants collected in the greater Pietermaritzburg area in the early 1960`s namely; Potterill Blush Yellow, Greendale yellow, Peacevale yellow and Celtiskloof yellow. All of these plants are compatable with one another and produce yellow[or slightly blushed] flowering seedlings when crossed together. These plants have for sake of a better name been called Group 3 yellows in my breeding program . They all flower yellow with a very slight pink blush or tiny speckling on the reverse of the flower, they produce seed pods which ripen red and all seedlings are pigmented but still flower yellow. - Sean Chubb
5 Mvuma Yellow. Another habitat plant which seems to be in her own group is Mvuma Yellow. Fortunately she is semi fertile when selfed and so we are growing on unpigmented seedlings from the selfing. Hopefully these will then be crossed back to the original clone to produce more yellows with the same genetic makeup as Mvuma Yellow. - Sean Chubb
6 Ndwedwe Alpha Thurston a habitat collected plant has been found not to be compatible, does not produce yellow seedlings with any other Yellow except her own seedlings so we have classified her in a group known as Alpha Group. - Sean Chubb 
More on this can be seen at http://www.cliviaforum.co.za/forum/index.php?topic=11053.msg79585#msg79585
7 'Butter Yellow'. The very rare 'Butter'(said to originate in the KZN habitat) was also found to be Group 2 and is the breeding source of the deep yellow Group 2 hybrids such a 'Pat's Gold' and 'Golden Fleece'.


Link to Giddy Yellow Thread:  http://www.cliviaforum.co.za/forum/index.php?topic=11170.0



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Re: Clivia Groups
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 19:52:18 »
Gideon, where do my yellow Nobilis fit in, or does this only concern Miniata?
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 20:14:10 »
Gideon, where do my yellow Nobilis fit in, or does this only concern Miniata?
Excellent Topic. :good:

No, it is open to all Clivia, including Interspecifics

WRT. Yellow nobilis, does anybody know?
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Re: Clivia Groups
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 22:11:52 »
Swellendam Yellow?
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 22:18:03 »
Swellendam Yellow?

Thanks, it is a group 2, it is the same plant as Natal Yellow, Giddy Yellow, Fred Gibello Yellow, Jardine Yellow, Holl Yellow, Stella Parish Yellow
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 00:21:53 »
Gideon, I have a couple of Cynthia`s Dream about to flower....this would be a Grp2 I would suspect??...HughW...
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 00:28:20 »
"Sir John Thouron" is a Group 1 yellow.
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Re: Clivia Groups
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 00:43:08 »
Yellow Daruma has both Groups now.
I got the Group 2s.  Maria's Yellow is one of them.

I have a TK Yellow GT that is also a Group 2

Solomone Yellow is Group1
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Re: Clivia Groups
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 06:24:13 »
Gideon,

Thanks for introducing this...it will become invaluable to us beginners!

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Re: Clivia Groups
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 06:48:12 »
Mike Riska did say that Tessa is  Group 2 Peach.  He crossed Tessa with SJT..."SJT X Tessa" and results were orange/orangish flowers.  I did got hold of some of these seedlings and they do have pigmented bases. Now if this hold true to all or most of Conway's peaches I have not read anything about it yet.  But Craig did mention to me before that most of Conway's clivias were bred out of European clivias.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 08:02:12 »
Mike Riska did say that Tessa is  Group 2 Peach.  He crossed Tessa with SJT..."SJT X Tessa" and results were orange/orangish flowers.  I did got hold of some of these seedlings and they do have pigmented bases. Now if this hold true to all or most of Conway's peaches I have not read anything about it yet.  But Craig did mention to me before that most of Conway's clivias were bred out of European clivias.

I too have a Vico x Tessa which is a beautiful Pastel, I have moved it to G2

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 14:51:35 »
Gideon, I have a couple of Cynthia`s Dream about to flower....this would be a Grp2 I would suspect??...HughW...

Yes it should be as 'Cynthia's Dream' is a cross made by Fred van Niekerk using Natal Yellow crossed with clone of Cynthia's Best, both being Group 2
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 15:25:39 »
Penn Yellow ex Val Thurston?

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 15:51:55 »
Gideon, I see that you have Kirstenbosch Yellow in both gr 1 and gr 2 sections. Intentional or oversight? I thought it was gr1.
Also, I believe all the Conway yellows are gr 1 such as Lemon Chiffon, Lemon Ice, Solomone Cream, etc. All that I have pollinated with FabAY2 and Solomone yellows have produced green based seedlings.
My friend has Mike's SJT x Tessa but they have yet to flower. Actually I thinjk he might have given them to me to flower out.
I have a ghost from the Huntington collection that I pollinated with FabAY2 and I have a mix of seedlings bases from pure green, blush, red, and deep maroon. I also got similar results from a variegated pastel breeding plant from Victor that flowered as a gr 2 yellow.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2010, 16:12:52 »
Penn Yellow ex Val Thurston?


I am not familiar with Penn Yellow so I assume it is a Pen Henry Yellow, if so it should be Group 1...BTW what is a Pen Henry Yellow, I have about 5 of them and each one is different, in size, shape and colour intensity. Is it just any yellow grown by Pen?
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